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1 Catholic Pope & over 20,000 Protestant denominations

"In essentials unity, in non-essentials liberty, in all things charity..." St Augustine

Pope Benedict XVI came to visit the USA. That makes me think yet AGAIN about the witness of unity among Christians. We are not a good one. If over 20,000 denominations are claiming knowing the absolute truth... well...

Statistics about Christian denominations (click here)

It's not that hard to find out, where it all started, who made the "schisms" and how the first fathers of the church reacted, disciplined, prayed and encouraged the church to stay as one.

The theories of unity within the Protestant denominations are not clear, but almost all founders of 20,000 denominations claim that they have found the truth (I mean, you don't want to follow someone's teaching if he has no clue, or partial a clue about what he believes or you don't want to throw yourself into something that you are not sure is the objective truth; no one wants to waste their life). I am not a theologian, so this is not proof of anything, but common sense should tell us that one is 1and not 20,000.

I am reading lately a lot about the first church, church fathers, papacy, heresies. The more I read, the more questions I have.

The most significant source for these findings would be in the documents written by the church fathers. The Bible was not "announced" yet, although different congregations had access to the Old Testament and some writings which later were included in the New Testament. But not all believers had that opportunity and not all read the letters Paul or Peter. That's why the writings of the church fathers are so important. They show us the life of an early church, local problematic disputes, theological as well as moral, relations to other local churches, admonitions to holiness and love. Naturally, the more people, cultures, traditions were incorporated into Christianity, the more views, points of relevancy and ideas they brought. Who would decide what was right, what was wrong?

Read the church fathers and find out. Tons of info on the Internet,

As for the popes. It seems that from early on, the Roman bishop was the one to look for guidance and primacy.

Here is an excellent site about Papacy (quotations from the church fathers - click here).

The early Church historian J. N. D. Kelly, a Protestant, writes,

"[W]here in practice was [the] apostolic testimony or tradition to be found? . . . The most obvious answer was that the apostles had committed it orally to the Church, where it had been handed down from generation to generation. . . . Unlike the alleged secret tradition of the Gnostics, it was entirely public and open, having been entrusted by the apostles to their successors, and by these in turn to those who followed them, and was visible in the Church for all who cared to look for it" (Early Christian Doctrines, 37).

Your Total "Christian Denominations" Count for today is 39723

so that they may be one as we are one

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Posted on April 2nd, 21.37

Exactly 3 years ago John Paul 2 died. My whole country froze for a while. People went out on the streets to pray and cry together. This is the "JP2 generation". This is the generation that has seen political independence for the first time after WWII, and John Paul was one of the main reasons they did. In 1979 he visited Poland for the first time. Still communistic oppression.

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This is how the stores looked. kolejka.jpeg

This is how the lines looked to buy anything. (I remember during my vacation time I had to stand in a line twice a week at 5 am till they opened the store, at about 10 am, just in case something was delivered).

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An then we had a Polish pope who came to visit. The governmental, regime TV(we only had 2 channels, showing only about 8 h of programs on each) was showing the main parts of His pilgrimage, but the directions for the Media crew filming the meetings was strict: do not show the masses of people, only the close ups. The militia was everywhere.

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John Paul landed in Warsaw and this afternoon He preached about the Holy Spirit on the Victory Square in Warsaw. 1 mln people showed up.

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There he spoke words that changed the world in consequence.

I wołam ja, syn polskiej ziemi, a zarazem ja - Jan Paweł II, papież, wołam z całej głębi tego tysiąclecia, wołam w przeddzień Święta Zesłania, wołam wraz z wami wszystkimi: Niech zstąpi Duch Twój! Niech zstąpi Duch Twój! I odnowi oblicze ziemi. Tej Ziemi!” (Jan Paweł II, Warszawa, 2 czerwca 1979 r.)

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And I, the son of Polish land, and at the same time I - John Paul II, the pope, I am crying out from the depths of this millennium, I am crying at the dawn of Pentecost, I am crying with all of you:

May Your Spirit come!

May Your Spirit Come!

And change the outlook of land,

This land!

If you would ask people who were present there or those who watched TV what happened there, a lot of them would respond that that was the day their hope for freedom returned.

I watched Pope's visit then on TV. I remember that when He landed on Polish soil I knelt down (in front of TV, 13 years old) and prayed. Something happened then. It was like an awakening moment. I did not know how to describe that then. Even today I am not sure. Sense of worth, courage, hope, patriotism, a new beginning.

One year later "Solidarity" movement in Poland started. This was the beginning of the end for Communism as we knew it.

There is so much more I can share about this man...

His last words were: Let me go to the House of the Father. When He died, people were crying and clapping hands, missing Him and giving thanks to God for His life.

In Polish language "saint" and "holy" are one and the same word "swiety" (sh'vyeen-tee). So God is "swiety" and the saints are "swiety".During His memorial service, before it even began, people were carrying signs with the words: SUBITO SANTO, which is: SAINT NOW. Swiety juz teraz.

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